I suffer because of blurred terminology...Should first things not be first, "What ..(the subject under discussion is),should be first and foremost be defined, we should say what we are we talking about...before thundering away and describe all sorts of detail, I humbly suggest (and beg) that the DEFINITION must ALWAYS the introductoryline, meaning the subject must initially be circumscribed. I still don't know whether the term "grapeseed" and "grapeseedextract is the same...