Then Mr. Oosterling started preaching that AR-42 production is complicated and that he had had difficulties producing it in the Netherlands, even with trained workers who have long experience. I told him I only needed five trained workers and that he could send me two men for two months to train our people to do the job. I told him that, “If you can manufacture it in the Netherlands, you can manufacture it for us in England until we learn, if you don’t have confidence in English technology.” But he kept saying over and over that the difficulties in manufacturing were great. I stressed to him that we were prepared to learn and to take the risk, but for some reason I just couldn’t get him to understand.