Now, we're the most open market in the world and this is an industry where we don't have enormous market growth, and so the result is a rather significant over-capacity problem. That creates a major difficulty because everybody can't be winners. Particularly in an economic slowdown, what it means is that some plants are going to have to be closed down and phased out, and so that's what you see happening. Unfortunately it's our feeling that the over- capacity problem still continues, and therefore we are going to be faced with continuing plant shutdowns in this country and in North America.