we just had so far. What struck you, what you didn't like. Did like. Agreed with. Disagreed
with. Take two minutes, talk to each other. And generate some powerful questions.
[audience chattering and laughing]
OK, two minutes are up. We have two people with microphones. Invite you to raise your
hand. And the mic might mysteriously come to you. And first question is right here.
>>Female #1: Hi Tony. Thanks for coming. My name is Tara Canobbio and I work here at Google
in k12 education outreach. So much of what you said of course resonates for who we are
and we're actually quite proud to say that our team works in this space a lot. But the
majority of the work we do is in kinda after school programs. Experimental things we do
with partners in here. And I would ask of you, what are some effective methods to be
able to get in the traditional schooling system with these ideas that you talked about? For
example we're inviting administrators to come here and observe some programs that adhere
to the concepts and the principles that you talked about. But its' difficult for us to
say, we're Google we have these ideas, it's great, now you go back in your classrooms
and your school districts and you change. How do we bridge that gap?
>>Tony Wagner: I think it's an incredibly difficult challenge right now especially.
Because as you all know increasingly we have one curriculum in our schools. And it's test
prep. Public schools, independent schools, it doesn't matter, it's test prep. If it's
independent schools it's the advance placement curriculum. I'm speaking now especially at
the high school level. So if you can't offer something that's gonna improve test scores,
chances are you're not going to get the attention. So here's what I would recommend as a strategy
to consider. It's a language that I think we need to introduce into education.
You know Cisco's RND budget is 13 percent. Microsoft's is 17 percent. With your 20 percent
rule you've got a 20 percent plus RND budget. Ask the principal, ask that superintendent,
"What's your RND budget?" They don't have one. Doesn't exist. So I think the argument
is to go to leaders. Superintendents and school board members. And say "You want change. You
want improvement. You must invest in RND. There is no change or improvement without
RND." So a simple idea would be to create a little simple request for proposals from
teams of teachers to develop an interdisciplinary hands on curriculum. More ambitiously, I'd
like to see every large school district or consortia of smaller school districts start
a lab school. A charter-like school that would have some of the same autonomies as a charter
school but district and/or state sponsored. Where there are intentionally developing the
new methodologies for teaching, learning, and assessment in the 21st century.
I think those are a couple of the steps we need to take. But the whole idea is it's,
I think is to generate the understanding that we must have RND in education in order to
develop new and better models. Other questions? Yep?
>>Female #2: Hi, this is sort of a follow-up to the previous question.
>>Tony Wagner: Little closer please.
>>Female #2: Oh. OK. As government is a really big actor in this space, I'm curious what
you would do if you were Arne Duncan and are there any low-hanging fruit?
>>Tony Wagner: I think the first and most important problem we have is to understand
that what gets tested is what gets taught. Period. The end. In this country. And the
business folks will tell you having the wrong metric is worse than having none at all. Our
test results especially at the secondary level tell us absolutely nothing about college,
career, or citizenship readiness. There are much better tests out there. There are assessments
of critical thinking, analytical reasoning, problem solving, and writing. I have a chapter
on it in The Global Achievement Gap. But basically we're going to have to, I think, create accountability
two dot oh at a national level. And incent the creation of very different tests. Now
there is a new generation of tests coming down the pike. But I worry that they are still
too content driven and still too much multiple choice.
There's an international assessment called PISA. Program for International Student Assessment.
we just had so far. What struck you, what you didn't like. Did like. Agreed with. Disagreed
with. Take two minutes, talk to each other. And generate some powerful questions.
[audience chattering and laughing]
OK, two minutes are up. We have two people with microphones. Invite you to raise your
hand. And the mic might mysteriously come to you. And first question is right here.
>>Female #1: Hi Tony. Thanks for coming. My name is Tara Canobbio and I work here at Google
in k12 education outreach. So much of what you said of course resonates for who we are
and we're actually quite proud to say that our team works in this space a lot. But the
majority of the work we do is in kinda after school programs. Experimental things we do
with partners in here. And I would ask of you, what are some effective methods to be
able to get in the traditional schooling system with these ideas that you talked about? For
example we're inviting administrators to come here and observe some programs that adhere
to the concepts and the principles that you talked about. But its' difficult for us to
say, we're Google we have these ideas, it's great, now you go back in your classrooms
and your school districts and you change. How do we bridge that gap?
>>Tony Wagner: I think it's an incredibly difficult challenge right now especially.
Because as you all know increasingly we have one curriculum in our schools. And it's test
prep. Public schools, independent schools, it doesn't matter, it's test prep. If it's
independent schools it's the advance placement curriculum. I'm speaking now especially at
the high school level. So if you can't offer something that's gonna improve test scores,
chances are you're not going to get the attention. So here's what I would recommend as a strategy
to consider. It's a language that I think we need to introduce into education.
You know Cisco's RND budget is 13 percent. Microsoft's is 17 percent. With your 20 percent
rule you've got a 20 percent plus RND budget. Ask the principal, ask that superintendent,
"What's your RND budget?" They don't have one. Doesn't exist. So I think the argument
is to go to leaders. Superintendents and school board members. And say "You want change. You
want improvement. You must invest in RND. There is no change or improvement without
RND." So a simple idea would be to create a little simple request for proposals from
teams of teachers to develop an interdisciplinary hands on curriculum. More ambitiously, I'd
like to see every large school district or consortia of smaller school districts start
a lab school. A charter-like school that would have some of the same autonomies as a charter
school but district and/or state sponsored. Where there are intentionally developing the
new methodologies for teaching, learning, and assessment in the 21st century.
I think those are a couple of the steps we need to take. But the whole idea is it's,
I think is to generate the understanding that we must have RND in education in order to
develop new and better models. Other questions? Yep?
>>Female #2: Hi, this is sort of a follow-up to the previous question.
>>Tony Wagner: Little closer please.
>>Female #2: Oh. OK. As government is a really big actor in this space, I'm curious what
you would do if you were Arne Duncan and are there any low-hanging fruit?
>>Tony Wagner: I think the first and most important problem we have is to understand
that what gets tested is what gets taught. Period. The end. In this country. And the
business folks will tell you having the wrong metric is worse than having none at all. Our
test results especially at the secondary level tell us absolutely nothing about college,
career, or citizenship readiness. There are much better tests out there. There are assessments
of critical thinking, analytical reasoning, problem solving, and writing. I have a chapter
on it in The Global Achievement Gap. But basically we're going to have to, I think, create accountability
two dot oh at a national level. And incent the creation of very different tests. Now
there is a new generation of tests coming down the pike. But I worry that they are still
too content driven and still too much multiple choice.
There's an international assessment called PISA. Program for International Student Assessment.
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