They really think I'm hot stuff you know I've come really far and they lose the fact that they may still have more things to learn and that's where the notion of the arrogance comes in is that if you get beyond learning then then you're in for problems and I think that's one of the essences that I see where an engineer many of these executives are engineers so they can't they have to sort of keep that in mind and they're at their engineering in mind as they go about making decisions with respect to financial