for all you sayin' that Muay Thai would beat Kyokushin Karate for sure in a no hold barred or even a standard MMA rule match, Kyokushin Karate teaches punches and elbows to the face, and knees as attacks in general, plus various other forms of striking. The reason that they don't do this in matches (especially punches to the face) is to prevent life threatening injuries. If you see how these students and masters train their knuckles.......... Their bones are harder than you think. Karate punches and Boxing punches are probably the strongest kinds of MA punches that I know of. Im not saying which style would win, but don't count traditional MA out.