I always struggle a lot with it, because I think, what you call CSR, corporate social responsibility, (hesitates)is that well-organized egoism,(hesitates again) you see? Or does it include something else too? I believe it is a bit of everything. I believe that accompany wants to safeguard its interests by operating a good CSR policy. But that’s like any political party ,you have an interest in it. Ok, you are allowed to, right? I mean, everyone can defend his own interests.[. . .] And is that related to your societal expectations? Absolutely. But there are so many things that you do as a manager-just like a politician that are driven by personal beliefs. (GM1 D)