thanks , looks like ctrader is more modernized version of the fx tool. But from what I can see, metatrader might be coded in c, while ctrader is coded in C# and with a .net clickonce starter, it has to verify the file version on each start which is pain in the ass. From the comment above, and I think I will still prefer ctrader over mt4 since it has a good dom view and c# might be easier to deal with than c like mql