According to Roberts and Wellisch, one way to distinguish between semantics and pragmatics is to distinguish between word meaning and speaker meaning. This suggest that words have a meaning independent of any particular use, which is then incorporated by a speaker into the particular meaning they want to convey. In this view semantics is concerned with word meaning and pragmatics with speaker meaning. The distinction can be seen when the use of pronouns is described. For example, if someone says to a listener "Is he awake?" , we would say that the listener has to understand two things, amongst others, to get the meaning: the first is that in this English sentence "he" means something like 'male entity referred to by the speaker, not the speaker and not the person spoken to', and the second is how to work out who tight at that moment in time the speaker is referring to by "he". Knowing the first is part of semantic knowledge and working out the second is a task for one' s pragmatic competence.