On 27 June 2011, ERT met with four mak nyahs in Ser- emban, Malaysia, to discuss their experiences of discrimination. As part of its EU- funded project in Malaysia, entitled “Empowering Civil Society to Combat Discrimi- nation through Collective Advocacy and Litigation”, ERT has been made aware of the discrimination faced by the Malaysian mak nyah community. ERT is currently provid- ing international and comparative law research in support of a judicial review case in which four mak nyahs are challenging the constitutionality of the Syariah (Shari’a) law prohibition on cross-dressing. The claimants agreed to talk with ERT about their experiences of discrimination, particularly at the hands of the Malaysian religious au- thorities, and the testimony set out below is a record of the conversation.