Charlie's distinction between mathematics and memory indicates his awareness of mathematics as a social practice rather than a collection of algorithms. But although he enjoys proof, he describes mathematicians and their activities as separate from himself and his own interests and capabilities. Steve also placed himself outside of the mathematics community, but in a different way from Charlie: even though he was opting to study a single major in mathematics, he did not see proof as an integral part of doing mathematics. What is striking about his comment here is its illustration of his focus on care and his instrumental view of his university experience: