They were talking about Shibuya-AX.
Toru: The live performance was sloppy.
Taka: Even though we were becoming huge, we were outspoken only at the venues. [?]
Toru: Even though people were coming, we were like, what are we doing? (laughs)
What was the final thing you were missing?
Taka: Well, Alex’s usual practicing was missing. We were like, “I’d rather be totally off at all the points if I’m going to make a mistake here!” (laughs). How out of harmony we were!
Toru: Definitely
Taka: I don’t know if it was a unique American style or what.
Toru: When the first song ended and everyone went quiet, I did a guitar solo by myself! What do I do? I thought (laughs).
You were a free person (laughs).
Taka: You were an American (laughs).
Ryota: The tuning was wrong in every live performance (laughs). That was also a pain.
In short, your power didn’t match up with your enthusiasm.
Toru: Pressure too. There were parts that had huger scales and parts that kind of went around in circles. [?] I didn’t have the mental ability to deal with those. [?] When we got to the final in Tokyo, it weighed on me all at once. From there, I got tense. As a band, we had to properly do things we hadn’t done up until then. That was an important period.
Then your 3rd album, “Kanjo Effect,” you changed your direction completely.
Taka: That’s right.
What did you have before that?
Taka: When we were doing “Beam of Light,” we gradually gained the know-how of recording. We amateurs came to play in a band. All of us were amateurs, and we suddenly produced a CD. Without knowing why, we produced a second one. Of course, we weren’t amateurs. We finally gained the know-how of recording through “Beam of Light.” Then why were the sound sources we were making so different from the ones we usually heard, those Western sounds we loved? Thinking this, we researched and listened to various things. Knowing we first had to fix something, we replaced all the engineers. And we introduced the producer. We did some serious recording there.
It’s very good that you narrowed your focus on emo first.
Taka: Yes! It was like, let’s go with this. We had the most enthusiasm during that period.
Ryota: Yeah, we did.
Taka: I felt like we were finally able to become a band because of that. That’s why I feel like we started from there. To a certain degree, everything was going smoothly.
I see. I guess that’s what we call the starting point where you became ONE OK ROCK’s Taka?
Taka: Yes, yes, it is. I feel like that’s why I was finally able to confidently say, “I’m ONE OK ROCK’s vocalist, Taka.”
From around this time, Taka and Toru were deeply involved in the sound production, right? [?]
Taka: That’s right. We decided everything, like these two people look like they want to do the engineering. [?] It was the time we became like a band. We wanted to make the music more like this, and we got really into it.
Tomoya: I remember the exchange of ideas increased. Even within us, there was a lot. Like, if I play like this, my passion in one song steadily grew, so I became aware of those kinds of things.
Ryota: Around that time, I didn’t know what emo was. I didn’t listen to it at all. From there, I borrowed all the CDs in Taka’s house and listened to them with Tomoya, one song each. During that time, I didn’t know about groove either, and Taka started pointing out a lot of things. He told me to copy a song by an emo band for now, but “Don’t just copy it; copy the emo groove. Because that’s what I’m going for,” he said. I was like, “Huh? What’s groove?”
Creating a groove rather than playing a phrase is a big hurdle, isn’t it?
Ryota: I was like, are you demanding that! [?]
Tomoya: Well anyway, you couldn’t do it at all at that point in time (laughs).
Taka: None of us could (laughs).
Ryota: Suddenly it was impossible (laughs).
Tomoya: But in the end, it came out properly in “Niche Syndrome” and “Zankyo Reference.” If we hadn’t thought about the groove, things definitely wouldn’t have changed.
Ryota: Yeah, that’s true.
That’s right. That’s why it was like an album in the making. [?]
Tomoya: We were in the process of building a foundation.
Taka’s lyrics also changed slightly from around there.
Taka: That’s right. I tried to write them properly.
From around here, you started using unique expressions. From there, it feels like you were being born little by little. Has your consciousness also changed greatly?
Taka: Yeah, absolutely, because I think I wanted us to make cool things as a band, and we were able to do that. I wanted ONE OK ROCK to become a work that would replace our business cards. [?] I wanted to properly show my colors. I was very aware.
So that’s why your sound changed, the audience changed, and your listeners [?] increased. It was an extremely good period of time.
Taka: That’s right. Though there were a lot of disputes.
Disputes over what?
Taka: Within the band, especially between Alex and me, we didn’t agree in opinion. Of course, he wanted to make the album himself. I, having done it until now, wanted to make the album myself. [?] When we butt heads there, things were rather difficult. We had different ways of thinking regarding songs too.
Toru: But during production, those kinds of things happen. Still, there’s the thing we produced, and we gave our opinions about how to proceed with it. He had his own “I want to do it this way” thoughts. There are even parts in the album “Kanjo Effect,” where he thought, “What kind of melody should I put with this kind of song?” [?]
Before that was his withdrawal. It was exactly at that time, when I interviewed ONE OK ROCK for the first time. I interviewed Taka and Toru.
Toru: Yes.
We were saying things like, “It’s a new single that has gotten amazing feedback,” and, “Yeah it’s really great!” It was like, “See you next time” kind of timing, so that was an unbelievable affair.
Taka: Well, it was tiresome.
When the first news came out, what was the situation?
Taka: It was covered by the news. My phone rang excessively. It was from a number I didn’t recognize. Right after the pause, I heard the answering machine, and it was Alex’s younger sister, who was crying the whole time. She said something along the lines of, “My brother’s been arrested.” From there, it was a nightmare of an hour. Honestly, I wasn’t mad at him. “He’s such a fool,” I thought. However, I thought we’d lose something for sure because of this.
Uh huh.
Taka: Thinking that we’d definitely lose something important, I was so scared. With all the pain until now, everyone was prepared to move forward and work hard, and even though we were able to get at least this far as a band, what in the world were we going to lose? At the time, it was like my life was flashing before my eyes. Before this band formed, the memories from the time I was an idol suddenly arose. I kept thinking, “Why is my life like this every time? Why?” The first thing I did was go to the restroom and call my parents. “I might be causing you trouble again, sorry,” I said. Both of them said, “It’s always the same” (laughs).
How strong. As expected!
Taka: “Okay, got it. Thanks.” (When I heard the news) I nearly collapsed, but after a cry, calling my parents, and seeing Toru’s face, I was okay. That was quite a realistic talk.
Toru: He asked, “What should we do?”
Taka: There was everything that happened until then and the times when we weren’t on the same wavelength. [?] I thought it was impossible for him to return to the band and continue while taking responsibility for all that. To me, Alex was more than part of the band and so forth; he was a friend. As a friend, I thought putting him back in the band would be absolutely different. [?] Still, I thought that no matter how you look at it, what he did in that situation was immature. That’s why I wanted him to grow up a little. But in spite of that, he was my friend. Even to me, he was very important, and I was thinking about what I should do. But he was arrested, so we couldn’t contact him. “I give up….” So our state of mind was quite terrible. I didn’t know what that was. Lots of things happened, and I couldn’t be alone. I cried and didn’t know what to do.
You were emotionally unstable?
Taka: Pretty much. I became uneasy about the future, and I wanted to ask Alex about his feelings but couldn’t. So for the time being, for about 2 weeks, we stayed at my house.
Tomoya: We were together the whole time.
Ryota: We were shutting ourselves up.
Toru, why weren’t you as shaken up?
Toru: When I first heard about it, I was like, oh, he really screwed up. [?] But of course, I thought about it for several hours. After that, we held off on the tour. If such a thing happened, he would definitely flee, so obviously the circumstances changed. [?] I could already completely see what was coming. And I thought, there’s no need to be down about it now, shouldn’t we just do what we have to do and move on? For example, changing all the arrangements for one guitar, and of course relearning those from the beginning. I could already clearly see those kinds of things that first day. I think that was related to our next song, “Kanzen Kankaku Dreamer.”
They were talking about Shibuya-AX.Toru: The live performance was sloppy.Taka: Even though we were becoming huge, we were outspoken only at the venues. [?]Toru: Even though people were coming, we were like, what are we doing? (laughs)What was the final thing you were missing?Taka: Well, Alex’s usual practicing was missing. We were like, “I’d rather be totally off at all the points if I’m going to make a mistake here!” (laughs). How out of harmony we were!Toru: DefinitelyTaka: I don’t know if it was a unique American style or what.Toru: When the first song ended and everyone went quiet, I did a guitar solo by myself! What do I do? I thought (laughs).You were a free person (laughs).Taka: You were an American (laughs).Ryota: The tuning was wrong in every live performance (laughs). That was also a pain.In short, your power didn’t match up with your enthusiasm.Toru: Pressure too. There were parts that had huger scales and parts that kind of went around in circles. [?] I didn’t have the mental ability to deal with those. [?] When we got to the final in Tokyo, it weighed on me all at once. From there, I got tense. As a band, we had to properly do things we hadn’t done up until then. That was an important period.Then your 3rd album, “Kanjo Effect,” you changed your direction completely.Taka: That’s right. What did you have before that?Taka: When we were doing “Beam of Light,” we gradually gained the know-how of recording. We amateurs came to play in a band. All of us were amateurs, and we suddenly produced a CD. Without knowing why, we produced a second one. Of course, we weren’t amateurs. We finally gained the know-how of recording through “Beam of Light.” Then why were the sound sources we were making so different from the ones we usually heard, those Western sounds we loved? Thinking this, we researched and listened to various things. Knowing we first had to fix something, we replaced all the engineers. And we introduced the producer. We did some serious recording there.It’s very good that you narrowed your focus on emo first.Taka: Yes! It was like, let’s go with this. We had the most enthusiasm during that period.Ryota: Yeah, we did.Taka: I felt like we were finally able to become a band because of that. That’s why I feel like we started from there. To a certain degree, everything was going smoothly.I see. I guess that’s what we call the starting point where you became ONE OK ROCK’s Taka?Taka: Yes, yes, it is. I feel like that’s why I was finally able to confidently say, “I’m ONE OK ROCK’s vocalist, Taka.”From around this time, Taka and Toru were deeply involved in the sound production, right? [?]Taka: That’s right. We decided everything, like these two people look like they want to do the engineering. [?] It was the time we became like a band. We wanted to make the music more like this, and we got really into it.Tomoya: I remember the exchange of ideas increased. Even within us, there was a lot. Like, if I play like this, my passion in one song steadily grew, so I became aware of those kinds of things.Ryota: Around that time, I didn’t know what emo was. I didn’t listen to it at all. From there, I borrowed all the CDs in Taka’s house and listened to them with Tomoya, one song each. During that time, I didn’t know about groove either, and Taka started pointing out a lot of things. He told me to copy a song by an emo band for now, but “Don’t just copy it; copy the emo groove. Because that’s what I’m going for,” he said. I was like, “Huh? What’s groove?”Creating a groove rather than playing a phrase is a big hurdle, isn’t it?Ryota: I was like, are you demanding that! [?]Tomoya: Well anyway, you couldn’t do it at all at that point in time (laughs).Taka: None of us could (laughs). Ryota: Suddenly it was impossible (laughs).Tomoya: But in the end, it came out properly in “Niche Syndrome” and “Zankyo Reference.” If we hadn’t thought about the groove, things definitely wouldn’t have changed.Ryota: Yeah, that’s true.That’s right. That’s why it was like an album in the making. [?]Tomoya: We were in the process of building a foundation.Taka’s lyrics also changed slightly from around there.Taka: That’s right. I tried to write them properly.From around here, you started using unique expressions. From there, it feels like you were being born little by little. Has your consciousness also changed greatly?Taka: Yeah, absolutely, because I think I wanted us to make cool things as a band, and we were able to do that. I wanted ONE OK ROCK to become a work that would replace our business cards. [?] I wanted to properly show my colors. I was very aware.So that’s why your sound changed, the audience changed, and your listeners [?] increased. It was an extremely good period of time.Taka: That’s right. Though there were a lot of disputes.Disputes over what?Taka: Within the band, especially between Alex and me, we didn’t agree in opinion. Of course, he wanted to make the album himself. I, having done it until now, wanted to make the album myself. [?] When we butt heads there, things were rather difficult. We had different ways of thinking regarding songs too.Toru: But during production, those kinds of things happen. Still, there’s the thing we produced, and we gave our opinions about how to proceed with it. He had his own “I want to do it this way” thoughts. There are even parts in the album “Kanjo Effect,” where he thought, “What kind of melody should I put with this kind of song?” [?]Before that was his withdrawal. It was exactly at that time, when I interviewed ONE OK ROCK for the first time. I interviewed Taka and Toru.Toru: Yes. We were saying things like, “It’s a new single that has gotten amazing feedback,” and, “Yeah it’s really great!” It was like, “See you next time” kind of timing, so that was an unbelievable affair.Taka: Well, it was tiresome.When the first news came out, what was the situation?Taka: It was covered by the news. My phone rang excessively. It was from a number I didn’t recognize. Right after the pause, I heard the answering machine, and it was Alex’s younger sister, who was crying the whole time. She said something along the lines of, “My brother’s been arrested.” From there, it was a nightmare of an hour. Honestly, I wasn’t mad at him. “He’s such a fool,” I thought. However, I thought we’d lose something for sure because of this.Uh huh.Taka: Thinking that we’d definitely lose something important, I was so scared. With all the pain until now, everyone was prepared to move forward and work hard, and even though we were able to get at least this far as a band, what in the world were we going to lose? At the time, it was like my life was flashing before my eyes. Before this band formed, the memories from the time I was an idol suddenly arose. I kept thinking, “Why is my life like this every time? Why?” The first thing I did was go to the restroom and call my parents. “I might be causing you trouble again, sorry,” I said. Both of them said, “It’s always the same” (laughs). How strong. As expected!Taka: “Okay, got it. Thanks.” (When I heard the news) I nearly collapsed, but after a cry, calling my parents, and seeing Toru’s face, I was okay. That was quite a realistic talk.
Toru: He asked, “What should we do?”
Taka: There was everything that happened until then and the times when we weren’t on the same wavelength. [?] I thought it was impossible for him to return to the band and continue while taking responsibility for all that. To me, Alex was more than part of the band and so forth; he was a friend. As a friend, I thought putting him back in the band would be absolutely different. [?] Still, I thought that no matter how you look at it, what he did in that situation was immature. That’s why I wanted him to grow up a little. But in spite of that, he was my friend. Even to me, he was very important, and I was thinking about what I should do. But he was arrested, so we couldn’t contact him. “I give up….” So our state of mind was quite terrible. I didn’t know what that was. Lots of things happened, and I couldn’t be alone. I cried and didn’t know what to do.
You were emotionally unstable?
Taka: Pretty much. I became uneasy about the future, and I wanted to ask Alex about his feelings but couldn’t. So for the time being, for about 2 weeks, we stayed at my house.
Tomoya: We were together the whole time.
Ryota: We were shutting ourselves up.
Toru, why weren’t you as shaken up?
Toru: When I first heard about it, I was like, oh, he really screwed up. [?] But of course, I thought about it for several hours. After that, we held off on the tour. If such a thing happened, he would definitely flee, so obviously the circumstances changed. [?] I could already completely see what was coming. And I thought, there’s no need to be down about it now, shouldn’t we just do what we have to do and move on? For example, changing all the arrangements for one guitar, and of course relearning those from the beginning. I could already clearly see those kinds of things that first day. I think that was related to our next song, “Kanzen Kankaku Dreamer.”
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