With older students, one can use materials that are more appropriate to their age :Treasure Island, The Adeventures of Tom Sawyer,and Peter Pan are well written and lend themselves admirably to discussion of ideas. For high school students, even more idea-engendering material is available :The Iliad; Hamlet; Twice-Told Tales; and Wind,Sand,and Stars. Because these materials are already used in some classroom, one might wonder what is so special about the way idealists would use them. Idealists charge the reason is that most teacher are not always trained in ways to use such books for ideas contained in them. Such books could become, in the eyes of teachers and students, another hurdle to get over, just another benchmark or list of books to be read.