It felt like I had gotten to a place where I felt good about it [the new project/studio], but then I realised that I couldn't do it alone. So I thought, maybe I should go find somebody, and that's when I thought of Ben.
"I'm interested in systemic story stuff. I know Ken [Levine] has recently been talking about this. I have another way I want to try and do it. But I think it won't be a game of cut scenes," he said. "I would rather find the stories that exist in... people use the sports analogy a lot, but when you play Madden, for example. The dream is to combine some of that with some of this.