A comparable uncertainty about how to delimit the discursive the discursive realm also seems to haunt Chartier’s discussion of Marin. These uncertainties emerge in a section of the chapter where Chartier discusses Marin’s reflections on the ultimately unbridgeable differences between painting and text as forms of representation. Chartire uses Marin’s reflections to cercle bank to his teme of the difference between discourse and nondiscursive practices, with visual images now assuming the role of the nondiscursive. We need to posit he asserts “a radical difference between the logic at work in the production of discourses and other sorts of logic inherent in visualization (la mise en vision) rite and common sense.” In this sentence he makes a dichotomous distinction between discursive logic and other logics but he does not specify what relationship obtains among the other logics, those of visualization rite and common sense. The reader is allowed even encouraged, to imagine that any differences that may exist among these other logics pale by comparsion with the “radical difference” between them and discursive logic. This same dichotomous distinction between discursive logics and diverse other logics appears two more time over the same extended passage: one as a contrast between “textuality” and “images, but also rituals or the practice of everyday life ” and once as a contrast between “discourse” and “practical or iconic logic.”