Roger Wibberley in MTO 2.5 has criticized a version I published of the sequence from Josquin'sAve Maria, on grounds that it flouts Glarean's modal classification. Cristle Collins Judd has already challenged Wibberley's construction of mode, and I further deny Glarean's relevance on chronological grounds. The first part of my article restates and revises some of the premises (ignored by Wibberley) which provided the context for my discussion of the Josquin piece; the second part extends my original discussion of that passage, and offers some comments and questions in response to Wibberley's paper.