Using these definitions I observed my classes during the normal teaching timetable in order to identify the two types of learners. I teach two distinct types of student, trainee secretaries and trainee engineers. All of the classes are studying at post form five level for a two year Diploma. Since the institution's intake is made up from form five graduates who make up the lower end of academic achievement (entry requirements stipulate a grade E in the Hong Kong School Certificate for English (HKCE), it can be argued that to some extent, all of the students I teach are not particularly successful language learners, certainly in terms of examination results.