With that theme in mind, I feel like you've always been really great at not crossing that line of cheesiness when writing something that's empowering. You avoid clichés ...
Thank you. That's hilarious to me, because I think that the stuff I write for pop music is terribly, terribly cheesy, but I'm coming from an indie background. I was like "Whoa" when I decided to crossover. For me, "Titanium" is very cheesy. And "Wild Ones" is definitely 100 percent cheese. It was quite confronting to start writing in that way. I never intended or wanted either of those songs to be seen because I felt like it diluted my credibility because I found them to be very cheesy. I wanted other people to sing them, and I just wanted to collect the publishing checks at the end of the day. It turned out that both of those songs really helped me in the end to secure my place as a pop songwriter, and that also the success of them helped erode my feelings of insecurity around how cheesy they were.