Ash invis: Melee attacks hit for 50% extra damage while invisible (yellow numbers) and charge attacks for 100% extra damage. These attacks can critically hit (red numbers). However, Organ Shatter does not affect yellow hits, only red critical hits.
Loki invis: While invisible your melee attacks deal 150% damage with normal attacks and 200% damage with charged attacks (yellow numbers). Critical strikes also receive this bonus (red numbers). Take note that this ability does not make you deal constant critical strikes, just boosts your damage.
they both have the same armor value, however Ash can fight well outside of stealth, while loki due to his low shield and health mostly stay invis, however can be used offensive.
my terrible math skill, correct me if I am wrong (I think I am):
Ash: 150/30 (max enery without mods devided by enery cost) = smokes 5 times (recast back to back; 0 remain energy) = max rank mods: 8 sec (re-cast without energy orbs)= 40 sec invisibility
Loki: 225/50 (max energy without mods devided by enery cost) = 4 times (recast back to back; remain 25 energy) = max rank mods: 12 sec * 4 (re-cast without energy orbs) = 48 sec invisibility
to me Loki has 8 seconds longer advantage using invisibility back to back.
If that is the case, Loki's invis seems better, he does have a larger energy pull than ash. I wonder with similar builds, mods per mods; Streamline, Continuity, Constitution, Flow (just for LOLs) same ranks etc, Locust Helmet (for Ash), Essence Helmet (for Loki), , which is better in the end? I am assuming it will only widen the gap even futher in favor of Loki.
I do admit, Ash has a 1 sec stun which can cancel enemy's cast animations (i think) and cloak sentinels (I don't know why you would need one when you already have stealth, also they get killed for Loki. Only useful against infested at that point).
Anyways...
it's all depends on why you want to use invisibility. If the bull etpoints for both description is correct, Loki is better as stealth melee warframe, while Ash is a distraction to get breathing room when things get bad.
Ash invis: Melee attacks hit for 50% extra damage while invisible (yellow numbers) and charge attacks for 100% extra damage. These attacks can critically hit (red numbers). However, Organ Shatter does not affect yellow hits, only red critical hits.Loki invis: While invisible your melee attacks deal 150% damage with normal attacks and 200% damage with charged attacks (yellow numbers). Critical strikes also receive this bonus (red numbers). Take note that this ability does not make you deal constant critical strikes, just boosts your damage.they both have the same armor value, however Ash can fight well outside of stealth, while loki due to his low shield and health mostly stay invis, however can be used offensive.my terrible math skill, correct me if I am wrong (I think I am):Ash: 150/30 (max enery without mods devided by enery cost) = smokes 5 times (recast back to back; 0 remain energy) = max rank mods: 8 sec (re-cast without energy orbs)= 40 sec invisibilityLoki: 225/50 (max energy without mods devided by enery cost) = 4 times (recast back to back; remain 25 energy) = max rank mods: 12 sec * 4 (re-cast without energy orbs) = 48 sec invisibilityto me Loki has 8 seconds longer advantage using invisibility back to back.If that is the case, Loki's invis seems better, he does have a larger energy pull than ash. I wonder with similar builds, mods per mods; Streamline, Continuity, Constitution, Flow (just for LOLs) same ranks etc, Locust Helmet (for Ash), Essence Helmet (for Loki), , which is better in the end? I am assuming it will only widen the gap even futher in favor of Loki.I do admit, Ash has a 1 sec stun which can cancel enemy's cast animations (i think) and cloak sentinels (I don't know why you would need one when you already have stealth, also they get killed for Loki. Only useful against infested at that point).Anyways...it's all depends on why you want to use invisibility. If the bull etpoints for both description is correct, Loki is better as stealth melee warframe, while Ash is a distraction to get breathing room when things get bad.
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