[14:20:04] mengloon quek: for the lotus leave i want to use for a pond
[14:20:19] mengloon quek: u have to do a leave say 30cm wide with a stem
[14:20:43] mengloon quek: and the do the closed lotus flower say 8 cm big
[14:20:53] mengloon quek: 8cm is the bud of the closed flower ok