Roland: So energy saving obviously needs to be an important consideration in the design. Clearly, it's a big subject, and something we need to look into in depth. But one specific aspect of it where I think we can make a real difference is with the Building Management System specifically, with the way we use presence detectors. And I've had a couple of ideas that l'd appreciate your views on.
Roland: I think we should put two totally different design options to the client. Option one is to have a building with automation So with the maximum automation option