Well, there was the interest in the technology and also the business together.
The two sort of went together. When we wanted to get free computer time, you had
to have a sense of how you could motivate people to give you free computer time.
With C-Cubed, that meant just finding bugs for them. Eventually, DEC made them
pay for the machine. But we had been deemed useful enough by them, and although
they didn't pay us, they gave us free time. That company went bankrupt. Then we
found a company down in Portland, Oregon with the same PDP-10 that let us write
a COBOL program, a payroll program, a huge complex payroll program. I learned
about labor reports, taxes, and all sorts of mundane things. We called this group the
"Lakeside Programming Group." And Paul really got interested in the machine. And
Ric Weiland got interested in writing an Editor. So the two younger members of the
team ended up doing most of the work on this payroll program